Talk:Death of Nancy Benoit rumour posted on Wikipedia hours prior to body being found

The edits were found on Wikipedia and bawolff traced the first edit. Still working on the second. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 08:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Is that accurate? Was it before it occurred or before police entered the property? —SVTCobra 08:57, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Listen the facts are all wrong. She most likely died Friday – so way before the edit. I am at work – not sure if I can fix it myself. —SVTCobra 14:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I don’t follow the calculation: the edit was made at ~~6:01~~ 4:01 a.m. UTC. Fayette County, Georgia is UTC -5. The police entered 2:30 p.m., which in UTC is 9:30 am. So do I have it wrong or is there a 3 and a half hour gap? –Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

“Wikinews has learned through an investigation…” => what kind? –Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I am the person who broke the story on the Chris Benoit page. Read the thread here. Notice I ended up being blocked for the thread by an admin whose actions need to be reviewed. 74.140.242.211 04:12, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

If you look at all the other references to this story on the Admin pages or elsewhere on wikipedia, they all start to occur about 60-90 minutes after my post on the Chris Benoit talk page. I am responsible for this story. And I got blocked for it. Sometimes you wonder if people here know what they are doing. 74.140.242.211 04:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I removed this bit: [1] becuase for one, it is not likely, it is unknown. We cannot speculate on something we have no idea about. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

…take a look at the frontpage of foxnews.com. This is currently their lead story. –+Deprifry+ 17:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

According to an article on pwinsider (which I can not link to but is here: pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25198&p=1), which will need some verifying I’m sure, the IP of the first anon editor doesn’t trace back to Connecticut, but somewhere in New York. – bdve 24.14.196.6 22:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC) [copied from other page] That address resolves to Hicksville, NY, NOT Stamford, CT http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4619/picture1tz9.png

THE ABOVE IP ADDRESS COMES FROM A CABLEVISION ISP SUBSCRIBER. The last bounce route is in Stamford, CT. This means that the user relies on this Router for his IP. I have run a multi-trace and found this router to have central designation. I will not provide any more information.

I don’t know what all this is about but I checked this IP just now and it is located in Piscataway, New Jersey. I thought you cannot change IP address locations. Also it appears another person or possibly the same person as part of the same prank DID come back to change it again. Because the IP address 125.63.148.173 came on a little later to give some false sources to the exclamation about Nancy’s death.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.85.31.221 (talk • contribs)

Shouldn’t it say “hung himself” instead of “hanged himself”?

TheIP address 69.120.111.23 had also removed vulgar comments about Chavo Guerro, Jr earlier in June 2007. The person had also modified the “Government” section of “Naugatuck, Connecticut” in May 2007 adding the names “Marc Dagz” and “Visar Tasimi” as mayor and deputy mayor. I would be interested to know who those people are.

Could someone please e-mail me at Asher@AsherHeimermann.com? I would like to get some info to do a story on my site. Thanks. 67.36.86.24 02:54, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey everyone. I am here to talk about the wikipedia comment that was left by myself. I just want to say that it was an incredible coincidence. Last weekend, I had heard about Chris Benoit no showing Vengeance because of a family emergency, and I had heard rumors about why that was. I was reading rumors and speculation about this matter online, and one of them included that his wife may have passed away, and I did the wrong thing by posting it on wikipedia to spite there being no evidence. I posted my speculation on the situation at the time and I am deeply sorry about this, and I was just as shocked as everyone when I heard that this actually would happen in real life. It is one of those things that just turned into a huge coincidence. That night I found out that what I posted, ended up actually happening, a 1 in 10,000 chance of happening, or so I thought. I was beyond wrong for posting wrongful information, and I am sorry to everyone for this. I just want everyone to know it was stupid of me, and I will never do anything like this again. I just posted something that was at that time a piece of wrong unsourced information that is typical on wikipedia, as it is done all the time. Nonetheless, I feel incredibly bad for all the attention this got because of the fact that what I said turned out to be the truth. Like I said it was just a major coincidence, and I will never vandalize anything on wikipedia or post wrongful information. I’ve learned from this experience. I just can’t believe what I wrote was actually the case, I’ve remained stunned and saddened over it. I wish not to reveal my identity so I can keep me and my family out of this since they have nothing to do with anything. I am not connected to WWE or Benoit at all in anyway. I am from Stamford as the IP address shows, and I am just an everyday individual who posted a wrongful remark at the time that received so much attention because it turned out to actually happen. I will say again I didn’t know anything about the Benoit tragedy, it was a terrible coincidence that I never saw coming. I hope this puts an end to this speculation that someone knew about the tragedy before it was discovered. It was just a rumor that I had heard about from other people online who were speculating what the family emergency Chris was attending to. I made a big mistake by posting this comment on his page, since all we had were what we thought was going on and nothing about what actually was going on yet, and sadly what happened turned out to be my speculation at the time. I assumed wiki would edit out my information, which they did, so thats why I didn’t go back to edit it out myself. I know I keep repeating it but I feel terrible about the mainstream coverage this has received, since it was only a huge coincidence and a terrible event that should of never happened. I am not sure how to react, as hearing about my message becoming a huge part of the Benoit slayings made me feel terrible as everyone believes that it is connected to the tragedy, but it was just an awful coincidence. That is all I have to say, I will never post anything here again unless it is pure fact, no spam nothing like that. Thank you, and let this end this chapter of the Benoit story, and hopefully one day we will find out why this tragedy ever actually happened.

I know I keep repeating it but I feel terrible about the mainstream coverage this has received, since it was only a huge coincidence and a terrible event that should of never happened. I am not sure how to react, as hearing about my message becoming a huge part of the Benoit slayings made me feel terrible as everyone believes that it is connected to the tragedy, but it was just an awful coincidence. That is all I have to say, I will never post anything here again unless it is pure fact, no spam nothing like that. Thank you, and let this end this chapter of the Benoit story, and hopefully one day we will find out why this tragedy ever actually happened.

Hey, I’m sorry but I would prefer not to do an interview, I really just want to put all this behind us. I made a mistake and I’m sorry, I know I’ve said that a million times but today has just been a bad day with this getting all this mainstream coverage even though it was just a huge coincidence. If an interview is deemed necessary, than I will only do it under the condition that I remain anonymous out of respect for my privacy. But really I would rather not do one, all that needs to be known is that this situation was blown out of proportion, though I can understand why.

I’m just still in shock that what I posted turned out to be true, and I feel awful that my post turned into a huge story, when it was only speculation on my part. Sorry I’m writing a lot, I just want to move on from this mistake and I hope you understand this. Thank you.

I also want to clarify again that the comment wasn’t meant to be a prank, but just speculation on my part from some rumors that I had heard on the internet about the family emergency that caused Chris to miss the pay per view Vengeance. It was stupid of me to post, and I regret it, but I did and that won’t change, but as long as everyone knows that it was simply a coincidence and nothing more then we can move on from this. Also, I’d like to apologize for my other wiki “updates” on other pages as they were immature and dumb, but I know I’m not the only one who has done this, but nonetheless I will never post anything like that again as I have learned from this. Thank you again.

Alright thank you, and I read below and this isn’t a friend or anyone else, this is me and I just needed to get this out before the situation went too out of control. Trust me, I have learned from this mistake of posting wrongful info when it was only rumors, and the fact that Nancy really did end up dying solidified that. It really was a 1 in 10,000 thing for something like this to happen, its crazy, but it really was only a terrible coincidence. Thats all I have to say, I hope everyone now realizes it was just a dumb comment that I posted based on pure speculation at the time, that unfortunately turned out to be true and thensome.

This is great. Just goes to show that even on the internet there are consequences to your actions.71.229.77.97 07:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Well you know, we are all talking softly to him, because now oh wow…he’s a star. But I wanna say that he’s only one of the thousand stupid vandals, and what he did is just stupid vandalism. Is one of the thousand people who try to burn wikipedia day-by-day and we’re flatterin’ him (“oh you know, dear, we all do stupid things in life…can I have your autograph?”). Dah, that’s disgusting. –82.50.20.203 14:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey man, I totally relate with you. Two years ago, right before the 6th Harry Potter book came out, some friends and I decided it would be funny to start telling everyone Dumbledore was going to die in the book. We had no inside information, but we had heard some rumors on websites. It was just something dumb, a prank. Then it came out and I was probably more surprised than anyone else when I read the book and he actually did die! I immediately starting calling all my friends telling them I really didn’t know, it was just a coincidence, but they were all mad at me for ruining the book for them. Ok so my story didn’t involve any real people dying, but the situation is the same, so I understand where you’re coming from. Good luck with the police, I know you’ve learned your lesson and hopefully they’ll realize it was all a misunderstanding and let you go (maybe if you started talking about hair, like those guys in the Boston adultswim fiasco?)-90.192.119.22 02:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

To the previous poster, sign your comment, we will see your IP and that should confirm your are the same person who posted the original edit about Nancy’s death.–Smumdax 04:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I’ve just looked at the history for this page…–Smumdax 04:42, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

This could be written by a friend who uses the same internet cafe (option #1 above) or a computer lab in a college/cubicle setting. However, I agree with Bawolff that this sounds self-authenticating, though that is highly subjective. 68.248.147.58 06:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I just put the ip address in ip-adress.com and it came out to be on turner rd. 3.4 miles or 10 mins from the WWE headquaters…

Is this the guys name?? Or is it Marc Dagz??–70.109.223.188 15:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

“incredibly coincidence” might satisfy the less rigorous concerns of anonymous contributors to an unprofitable online information exchange, but law enforcement investigators have higher standards. My advice to you is to tuck that computer under your arm and march yourself down to the police station and try to convince investigators you are unwittingly psychic. I assure you, they probably are interested in your entire e-mail list, and any other evidence of who you corresponded with between her time of death, the time you revealed your knowledge of her death and the time law enforcement learned of her death.

If you don’t volunteer to explain your most unlikely coincidence, I promise you, a court can and most likely will issue a warrant that will empower these investigators to study your claim. You are in the spotlight and you have little way out. Tomorrow or the next day you most likely will be named on international news, further tarnishing the now badly soiled reputation of Wikipedia. It’s time to get ahead of the ball, admit what you know and face justice for any crime to which you might have become a party. Andevere 17:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you really better go talk to the police. You are already involved in this and the sooner you talk to law enforcement the better for you, assuming this is just an unfortunate coincidence. 128.128.163.121 19:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

The posting of information about a killing by someone who apparently had inside knowledge about the killing is the inevitable result of a Web site that lets people compile unauthorized biographies with no fact checking before information is published.

The contributor’s claim of the posting being a huge coincidence is extremely specious. The odds of guessing that accurately are so slim as to be inconsequential. The odds of specious claims being offered in lieu of facts from a person associated with the psuedo-wrestling stage-drama industry are exceptionally high. That means the message and follow-ups are likely to become evidence in murder investigations. The person who posted the information about this homicide before authorities knew about it is quite likely suspected by investigators as being an accessory after the fact. All Wikipedia logs, and Wikinews logs that reveal information about others posting from this IP are subject to search warrant. If the matter goes to court, anything probative the warrant produces may become public records.

For investigators not familiar with Wikipedia procedures, the IP used to release information about the killing might have been used by a regular contributor of Wikipedia behind the mask of a user name. The only way to know is to run what Wikipedia calls “check-user” on persons of interest who previously contributed to the article. That is a method whereby privileged Wikipedia contributors can spy on the IP information of otherwise anonymous users. Any admin with check user privileges who refuses check-user access to authorities might be charged with interfering with a murder investigation. The same goes for members of the WikiMedia Foundation board of directors, and possibly all who hold privilegs of “bureaucrat” or “steward” in the Wikipedia or Wikinews projects.

The article is wrong in saying that authorities confirmed the now-dead actor murdered his wife. Murder is a conclusion of law that can only be reached by a court of law. In cases where the killer dies, a court cannot try and find the person guilty of murder. It remains a homicide on all official documents, except perhaps on police investigative records (which are not conclusive findings of fact, but rather comprise presentations of evidence).

Though the former actor allegedly hanged himself after the killing, that doesn’t mean the murder investigation is closed. It is only closed in Wikipedia’s very wrong and naive article, which was apparently written in part by a person who has inside knowledge about the killings. The fact that information about the killings was circulated before police gained that knowledge obliges police to continue searching for accomplices, who might be accessories after the fact or who might have committed other criminal acts in harboring or assisting the killer after the killings, or failing to go to authorities with knowledge of a crime.

Now, for those readers more interested in the short version: Wikipedia is not above the law. Wikipedia might be the scene of a murder investigation. You are obligated to cooperate with investigators, or face the consequences. Andevere 16:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

To the previous poster, sign your comment, we will see your IP and that should confirm your are the same person who posted the original edit about Nancy’s death.

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First of all it is fairly easy to change your IP address, there are things such as Steganos Internet Anonym, which you can even specifically put that you are from Stanford, CT, so then your IP looks like its from stanford, CT. So as far as we know this could be just a coincidence or it could be someone covering up some huge conspiracy, we may never know.

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ok, we got it, and forgive you! You were wrong on posting that information without first double checking. Now, my question is: why did you do it? did you know at the time that the information could have been totally wrong? I am always amaze on how losers wikipedians are actually. Just sitting there reading nonsebnse and trying to be the first in posting it in Wikipedia. What a bunch of losers. I am upset. — posted by User:128.231.88.7

There are some Wiki-style websites, like Lostpedia, that do not allow you to edit unless you’ve registered with the site and provided a valid email address. Wikipedia might want to look into this in the future. It probably wouldn’t stop vandalism, but maybe it would save time in tracing this stuff back to them. –Amberjet11 15:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

If it was a coincidence, what gives you the right to even dare say that Nancy Benoit had died. What if she were in fact alive; Your comment, especially if it is a coincidence, is absolutely heartless and shows a lack of respect for any living individuel. How can you claim some one is dead, if you have no proof?

It would look a lot better on your profile, if you admit the truth rather than state that it was a major coincidence. Who, with a decent moral center, goes on the Internet and edits a page to include a, what you called a speculation, that Nancy Benoit had died.

Death of an individuel, unless of obvious health circumstances such as diseases, should never be speculated.

Hey. person who posted the “coincidence” Why dont you not ever post ANYTHING on wiki? if it pure fact someone will eventually add it on. Honestly dont you think?

24.238.46.93 01:34, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I know I myself have made random edits on Wikipedia. I believe that guy!

toda esta historia falsa, fue una conspiracion, hacia chris benoit debido, q hay hechos q no se esclarecen, y hechos q son ilogicos,, al parecer. de cualquier persona. solo es cuestion de ponerle mucha atencion a escritos como en wikinews aparecen y relatan.

Yo no creo que la muerte de Chris Benoit sea tal y como la dicen otras páginas y noticias del mundo.Porque si se lee el wikinews se van a enterar que 14 horas de que la policia encuentre el cuerpo sin vida de la esposa de Chris alguien, ya habia escrito que chris no iba a ir al programa ,y que iba a ser remplazado por Nitro para la lucha del campeonato porque tenia problemas personales por la muerte de su esposa,cosa que no puede ser posible segun las teorias de las noticias del mundo.Yo creo que todo esto fue una conspiracion en contra de benoit porque esta persona que escribio esta noticia resulto ser de la WWE y del cuartel de Vengance.Yo creo que alguien mato a los 3 miembros de esa familia primero a la esposa y chris mientras trataba de revivir a su esposa mataron a su hijo y despues de eso no tubieron mejor idea que matarlo a chris y hacerlo parecer como un homicidio-suicidio.Sino como se explican porque etrañamente borraron todos los recuerdos de chris benoit de la WWE.Benoit que fue un luchador ejemplar.R.I.P. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.240.61.89 (talk) 10:55, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

It is not commonly known that when the police found the bodies that there was a lot of beer cans laying around and a half empty midsize bottle of wine by Chris’s body. The reason I bring that up is because no alcohol was found in any of their systems according to an Autopsy. Also one man who saw the crime scene photos said that he did not see any bibles by the bodies in the photos that were taken before anything was removed from the crime scene. Also it commonly known that a former prosecutor said it is too much of a coincidence that someone would up up on here that Nancy Benoit was dead just hours before she was found to be dead. I firmly believe with the lack of evidence showing that Chris killed his family and them himself. And the Abundance of evidence that seems to point to someone else being at their place, just proves to me and a lot of people that Chris is a victim of shoddy police work and that some one killed all three of them.